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Amy Pascal discusses what she learned from the Sony hack

“There was this horrible moment when I realized there was absolutely nothing at all that I could do.”

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In her first public appearance after being fired from her role as co-chair of Sony Pictures, Amy Pascal talked to Tina Brown at Women in the World San Francisco.

On the hack that made her personal email quite public — including regrettable comments about President Obama and Angelia Jolie:

“The first person I talked to was Angie after that email.”

“We all live in this weird thing together called Hollywood. If we all actually were nice, it wouldn’t work.”

On the pay gap in Hollywood:
“I run a business. People want to work for less money, I’ll pay them less money. I don’t call them up and go, ‘Can I give you some more?’ Because that’s what you do when you run a business.”

“The truth is that what women have to do is not work for less money. They have to walk away. People shouldn’t be so grateful for jobs…People should know what they’re worth and say no.”

On her hopes for the film industry in the future:
“I think that the most important thing that we can do in our business is make movies with female protagonists and movies with female villains and movies where…the plot of the movie is about [women].”

“The worst thing you can do is just be on the sidelines…I think that there is a subliminal message for everyone when women, good or bad, move the plot.”

The big lesson she learned from the hack?
“I did learn that you should always say exactly what you think directly to people all the time. The hardest thing in any of these jobs is to be able to hear yourself.”

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